{"id":3532,"date":"2014-01-15T19:22:22","date_gmt":"2014-01-16T03:22:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/2014\/01\/led-cyr-wheel-power-draw\/"},"modified":"2018-11-03T13:36:25","modified_gmt":"2018-11-03T20:36:25","slug":"led-cyr-wheel-power-draw","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/2014\/01\/led-cyr-wheel-power-draw\/","title":{"rendered":"LED Cyr Wheel: power draw"},"content":{"rendered":"<p id=\"top\" \/>\n<p>In one of my last posts, I discussed power draw. In theory, 360 LEDs on each side of the wheel (720 total) might draw a ton of power (20+amps) based on the specification for the LEDs.<\/p>\n<p><b>UPDATE:<\/b> Scratch what I have below. I wasn&#8217;t measuring full on, but only half! I have two 67 length strips (about 2\/5ths of my wheel on one side), and it draw <b>5.56amps.<\/b> So yeah, about 0.04149 amps per LED, and I will have: ~330 per side, ~660 total: <b>27amps.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m going to probably have to software limit full brightness to never reach this high, as it will kill battery life, and maybe melt wires if I&#8217;m not careful. I&#8217;m starting to think about running an 18 gauge 2-wire through the wheel for power delivery. This also means I need to (again) re-think connectors. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.molex.com\/molex\/products\/family?key=minifit_jr&amp;channel=products&amp;chanName=family&amp;pageTitle=Introduction\">Molex Mini-Fit Jr<\/a> are rated for 9amps (or <a href=\"http:\/\/rhu103.sma-promail.com\/SQLImages\/kelmscott\/Molex\/PDF_Images\/987650-3722.PDF\">13amps with better terminals<\/a>!). I think this would work, as current will be split from the battery to each half of the wheel; meaning the connector on a given side of the battery has to dish out at most half the current needed so a 13 amp max terminal. Damn..now I have to order these terminals. I&#8217;m getting the 18g and 16g ones (they say the wire needs to be 16ga to carry 13 amps).<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>So, I bought a 40amp 5v power supply (they are cheap) to cover my bases. I hooked up my 6meters of LEDs that I have and ran them at full white. They drew <b>2.72 amps<\/b>. Totally way less than what it was supposed to. This is only half the wheel, so let&#8217;s say the entire wheel draws 5.5amps. That&#8217;s not much! Then I realized the LEDs were dim on the second half of the 6meters. Oh doh, they have loss when run in series. So, I could easily power each end and tested that; <b>4.32amp<\/b> draw at full white. Significantly more power use!! I&#8217;ll probably power each segment of the 5 piece wheel separately (roughly 1.25m), which will ensure brightness, but also cause more power draw. My rainbow pattern is drawing 3.48amps at most; definitely less than full white, but still quite a bit of power.<\/p>\n<p><b>So,<\/b> I need at least two decent size batteries to make this work. Ideally 2400-3000mah. Looks like the thing that will fit in the wheel are 1400mAh turnigy nano-tech cells. I can have two on top of each other in parallel:<\/p>\n<p>1400*2*7.2*.95(efficiency of converter)=19.152whrs. Let&#8217;s say 9amp total draw at 5v: 0.42hrs, or <b>25 minute calculated run time<\/b>. Not much! But spare LiPO cells will be easy to put in, and actual run time may be better.<\/p>\n<p>A monkey wrench thrown into the equation is that my connectors I bought are rated at 5amps. I spent another $20 bucks at mouser ordering 4 wire Molex MiniFit Jr connectors &#8212; they can carry 9 amps of current; in reality, I shouldn&#8217;t see more than half the total current through the wire, because the battery will be centered in the wheel and deliver power to each half of the wheel. If I have trouble with getting the full voltage to the other half, I may have to put the second battery for one half the wheel on the other side\u2026but I&#8217;m hoping to not do that, as it would involve having two power switches (or more wiring &#8212; in which case, I should just wire it with thicker gauge wire).<\/p>\n<p>I experimented with current loss over 14&#8217;6&#8243; of 22 AWG wire; the 5.06v at the start reads 4.67v at the end, and this affects the LED brightness. I&#8217;m hoping to use 20AWG gauge wire, but I can only do it if I don&#8217;t get that large a voltage loss for half the wheel circumference (less than 10&#8242; for me).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In one of my last posts, I discussed power draw. 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