{"id":2223,"date":"2011-04-10T10:04:25","date_gmt":"2011-04-10T17:04:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/pge-electric-rates-and-evs\/"},"modified":"2011-04-10T10:05:52","modified_gmt":"2011-04-10T17:05:52","slug":"pge-electric-rates-and-evs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/pge-electric-rates-and-evs\/","title":{"rendered":"PG&#038;E Electric Rates and EVs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p id=\"top\" \/>\n<p>I never knew much about how I paid for electricity. I didn&#8217;t know if we had certain hours that were peak or not. So, I called PG&amp;E last week and they explained to me I was on the E1 rate. I told them I had an EV, and they suggested I go to E9 A or E9 B. They are listed here: <a href=\"http:\/\/pge.com\/tariffs\/ERS.SHTML#ERS\">http:\/\/pge.com\/tariffs\/ERS.SHTML#ERS<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Like any good programmer, I decided to do my homework before blindly switching. It turns out that after I did the math, a PG&amp;E representative told me they have a comparison spread sheet on their <a href=\"http:\/\/pge.com\/electricvehicles\/\">Plug-In Electric Vehicles<\/a> page (here&#8217;s a <a href=\"http:\/\/pge.com\/includes\/docs\/word_xls\/shared\/environment\/whatyoucando\/electricdrivevehicles\/PEVRatePlanComparisonCalculator.xls\">direct link<\/a> to the excel spreadsheet). That page seems to lump a bunch of assumptions together about energy use, but I found that page to be quite accurate in its rough estimates.<\/p>\n<p>First, I wanted to understand the E1 rate. I made a spreadsheet in numbers that included the rates for E1 and E9. They charge a certain amount for a baseline kWh used, and then different amounts based on how much you go over:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Screen-shot-2011-04-09-at-8.48.57-AM.png\" width=\"678\" height=\"295\" alt=\"Screen shot 2011-04-09 at 8.48.57 AM.png\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Currently on days that I charge, I&#8217;m using ~1000kWh\/day. Yikes&#8230;that&#8217;s a lot. Our new hot tub also dramatically increased the energy we use.<\/p>\n<p>Based on the E9 rates, I did a quick hack comparison if I was charged that rate for the energy used:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Screen-shot-2011-04-09-at-8.51.16-AM.png\" width=\"908\" height=\"276\" alt=\"Screen shot 2011-04-09 at 8.51.16 AM.png\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Obviously, E9 Peek would be more. But, the key thing is E9 partial peak is lower, and when averaged with E9 off peak my total cost will definitely be lower. <a href=\"http:\/\/corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/uploads\/3:1:2011%20-%20kw%20used%20per%20day%20%20-D13674837553Month312011.numbers\">Here&#8217;s my spreadsheet<\/a> (using Numbers on the Mac), which includes kWh used over a month. Change the values in the green cells to see updated costs change.<\/p>\n<p>I also downloaded some of my day-to-day energy uses for a weekday and weekend. They include an hour-by-hour of when you used how much energy. I simply dropped the base E9 cost (based on the hour) in to compare it to the base E1 cost they already had listed. I did this on some days when I know I charged at a certain hour; although, I also assume I would move charging to off peak hours to get the best rates. My test showed that I could easily save 15%, and potentially up to 30%. So, all this data tells me <b>to switch<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p>For the E9 rate, you pay based on the time of use. I made a little chart in numbers to get an idea of what rates occur when (click to download that file):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/uploads\/PG&amp;E%20E9%20hours%20for%20Peak,%20Partial%20Peak%20and%20Off%20Peak.numbers\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/pgehours.png\" width=\"436\" height=\"440\" alt=\"pgehours.png\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That will be handy for knowing when I should do laundry and charge the car. I now need to get an 240v AC relay to turn the car on and off automatically during off peak hours.<\/p>\n<p>Here were a few recommendations from the nice people on the EVDL email list:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.smarthome.com\/48781\/Intermatic-T101P3-SPST-Pool-Spa-Time-Switch-in-Plastic-Enclosure\/p.aspx\">http:\/\/www.smarthome.com\/48781\/Intermatic-T101P3-SPST-Pool-Spa-Time-Switch-in-Plastic-Enclosure\/p.aspx<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.smarthome.com\/48760\/Intermatic-P1121-Portable-15-Amp-Outdoor-Timer-Heavy-Duty-Outdoor-Timer\/p.aspx\">http:\/\/www.smarthome.com\/48760\/Intermatic-P1121-Portable-15-Amp-Outdoor-Timer-Heavy-Duty-Outdoor-Timer\/p.aspx<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/discountsales.com\/shop\/module.php?module=show_product&amp;id=1161208837\">http:\/\/discountsales.com\/shop\/module.php?module=show_product&amp;id=1161208837<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I never knew much about how I paid for electricity. I didn&#8217;t know if we had certain hours that were peak or not. So, I called PG&amp;E last week and they explained to me I was on the E1 rate. I told them I had an EV, and they suggested I go to E9 A or E9 B. They are listed here: <a href=\"http:\/\/pge.com\/tariffs\/ERS.SHTML#ERS\">http:\/\/pge.com\/tariffs\/ERS.SHTML#ERS<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Like any good programmer, I decided to do my homework before blindly switching. It turns out that after I did the math, a PG&amp;E representative told me they have a comparison spread sheet on their <a href=\"http:\/\/pge.com\/electricvehicles\/\">Plug-In Electric Vehicles<\/a> page (here&#8217;s a <a href=\"http:\/\/pge.com\/includes\/docs\/word_xls\/shared\/environment\/whatyoucando\/electricdrivevehicles\/PEVRatePlanComparisonCalculator.xls\">direct link<\/a> to the excel spreadsheet). That page seems to lump a bunch of assumptions together about energy use, but I found that page to be quite accurate in its rough estimates.<\/p>\n<p> (more after the jump&#8230;)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2220,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[34],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2223","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-electric-bug"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/pgehours.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2223","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2223"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2223\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2224,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2223\/revisions\/2224"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2220"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2223"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2223"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2223"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}