{"id":2030,"date":"2011-01-10T23:48:36","date_gmt":"2011-01-11T06:48:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/2011\/01\/plug-bug-battery-bus-bars\/"},"modified":"2011-01-12T16:27:09","modified_gmt":"2011-01-12T23:27:09","slug":"plug-bug-battery-bus-bars","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.corbinstreehouse.com\/blog\/2011\/01\/plug-bug-battery-bus-bars\/","title":{"rendered":"Plug Bug: Battery Bus Bars"},"content":{"rendered":"<p id=\"top\" \/>There needs to be a way to connect one 3.2v Thundersky battery to another to form the battery pack. I\u2019ll have a total of 48 cells in two separate packs. Apparently some batteries come with interconnects, and others don\u2019t. <a href=\"http:\/\/evolveelectrics.com\/Thunder%20Sky%20Lithium%20Batteries.html\">Evolve Electrics<\/a> sells them separate for $4.50 each. Multiply it by 42 (the last two don\u2019t need a connection as it will be connected via 2\/0 wire) and you get $189. In addition, they may not be quite the right size that I needed, as I was planning on a crazy configuration. So, I was going to have to make some of them anyways, and decided to just make them all and save some bucks.<\/p>\n<p>I found the volt 914 project that did a cool job on making them <a href=\"http:\/\/volt914.blogspot.com\/2010\/01\/battery-interconnects.html\">here<\/a>. Thanks Ross for posting that information! Ross used 7 layers of 0.020\u201d copper to make his interconnects. I also talked to Travis (who also made an EV bug) and he also went with the layered approach and used 5 layers of 24 gauge sheet (~.026 thickness). People use layers with a slight kink in the middle to allow them to stretch out when the batteries (possibly) swell up.<\/p>\n<p>So, how thick do I need?<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/American_wire_gauge\">cross sectional<\/a> diameter of 2\/0 wire is 0.03648\u201d. Times pi that is ~0.115 in^2 (I\u2019m not sure how <a href=\"http:\/\/volt914.blogspot.com\/2010\/01\/battery-interconnects.html\">Ross<\/a> got 0.105 in^2 \u2014 maybe it was a typo). I like the idea of using 24 gauge copper to make the bars \u2014 but I might use 6 layers since: 0.026\u201d (thickness) * 6 (layers) * 0.j75\u201d (width) = 0.117 in^2 \u2014 definitely bigger than 2\/0 wire. Or, I could use 1\u201d wide and 5 layers, which might be easier (I think it would have been).<\/p>\n<p>Or, I could just use solid copper bar stock and avoid cutting out a bunch of small pieces. I liked that idea the best, even though it might be \u201cextra rigid\u201d. The fear of using solid bar stock is that the cells will swell a bit and might tear apart if the bus bars don\u2019t have some give in them. However, people use solid aluminum bus bars and don\u2019t seem to have a problem with tearing the cells apart (as far as I can tell), and swelling is only a problem if you don\u2019t compress your cells good enough, or abuse them by running them past their constraints. I hope to not do that, so I&#8217;m using solid stock. I also think my cells are quite well contained. If they do end up moving then I&#8217;ll have to readdress this.<\/p>\n<p>I bought some 1\/8&#8243; by 1&#8243; metal copper bar stock from <a title=\"http:\/\/www.onlinemetals.com\" href=\"http:\/\/www.onlinemetals.com\">onlinemetals.com<\/a>. Two 96&#8243; pieces and one 48&#8243; piece for $114 (including shipping).<\/p>\n<p>I also had to buy hardware &#8212; I stupidly thought these came with the cells, but instead they come with the bus bars. I bought the following from <a href=\"http:\/\/ww.boltdepot.com\">Bolt Depot<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>Product #4815<br \/>\nMetric lock washers, Stainless A-2 (18-8), 8mm<br \/>\nQuantity: 1 box of 100<br \/>\nPrice: $5.81<br \/>\nSubtotal: $5.81<\/p>\n<p>Product #4778<br \/>\nMetric hex nuts, Stainless A-2 (18-8), 8mm x 1.25<br \/>\nQuantity: 1 box of 100<br \/>\nPrice: $9.85<br \/>\nSubtotal: $9.85<\/p>\n<p>Product #5024<br \/>\nSocket head screws, Alloy steel, 1\/4-20 x 1\/2<br \/>\nQuantity: 1 box of 100<br \/>\nPrice: $5.89<br \/>\nSubtotal: $5.89<\/p>\n<p>Product #5027<br \/>\nSocket head screws, Alloy steel, 1\/4-20 x 1<br \/>\nQuantity: 1 box of 100<br \/>\nPrice: $8.00<br \/>\nSubtotal: $8.00<\/p>\n<p>Product #8749<br \/>\nMetric socket set screw cup point, Stainless A-2 (18-8), 8mm x 1.25 x 30mm<br \/>\nQuantity: 1 box of 100<br \/>\nPrice: $30.19<br \/>\nSubtotal: $30.19<\/p>\n<p>Another $76. So, it would have been cheaper to just buy the bus bars in the first place. Live and learn! I think my solid copper bars will conduct better than what the Thundersky ones do.<\/p>\n<p>corbin<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There needs to be a way to connect one 3.2v Thundersky battery to another to form the battery pack. I\u2019ll have a total of 48 cells in two separate packs. 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